tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post2937164163039381139..comments2024-03-28T09:45:17.708+00:00Comments on WEMBLEY MATTERS: Kensal Rise Library fails to meet reserve price at auctionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger175125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-65936300533402760752014-12-26T10:48:55.379+00:002014-12-26T10:48:55.379+00:00Gone fishing...Gone fishing...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-42059410098157841742014-12-24T11:46:56.416+00:002014-12-24T11:46:56.416+00:00Sorry, Francis, intended to thank you for giving y...Sorry, Francis, intended to thank you for giving your view of the auction. All best for 2015.<br />Meg Howarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17917057407318309710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-40677810677870217972014-12-23T23:16:38.340+00:002014-12-23T23:16:38.340+00:00Whether or not phantom bidding occurred at the auc...Whether or not phantom bidding occurred at the auction, I agree with Alison and Anon 20.00 that the winner from the 'failed' auction sale is Andrew Gillick. As both say, Gillick can now cite failure to reach market price as a reason to 'renegotiate' - get out of - the S106 Deed of Agreement on the D1 space. Meg Howarthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17917057407318309710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-89819949268381010322014-12-23T18:35:02.269+00:002014-12-23T18:35:02.269+00:00Power to the people !
Power to the people !<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-88334235767070545942014-12-23T18:00:50.461+00:002014-12-23T18:00:50.461+00:00 From Brent Council. Now posted separately. From Brent Council. Now posted separately.Martin Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02194641151012303116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-70323767921057846402014-12-23T17:48:45.552+00:002014-12-23T17:48:45.552+00:00Where is that information from?
Martin is this m...Where is that information from? <br /><br />Martin is this more inaccurate wb rumours or has it merit? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-46389900571883296082014-12-23T16:20:30.670+00:002014-12-23T16:20:30.670+00:00Amazing people can be and are regularly prosecuted...Amazing people can be and are regularly prosecuted and sent to prison for stealing a loaf of bread from a big corporation, but when it comes to stealing from the community, we turn a blind eye.<br /><br />One day the community will wake up with nothing left, sold to the highest bidder using power and influence to get what they want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-88883979740530861222014-12-23T14:52:28.442+00:002014-12-23T14:52:28.442+00:00Typical.
Power in high places to avoid prosecutio...Typical.<br /><br />Power in high places to avoid prosecution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-31091092796628041362014-12-23T14:42:05.987+00:002014-12-23T14:42:05.987+00:00Like every other aspect of law and policing (or &#...Like every other aspect of law and policing (or 'security') involved in this story, the CPS's function is to protect property and wealth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-83337751327315197082014-12-23T12:24:58.303+00:002014-12-23T12:24:58.303+00:00Update - CPS have decided not to bring any prosec...Update - CPS have decided not to bring any prosecution regarding fraudulent emailsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-60051071538941610482014-12-23T12:22:25.167+00:002014-12-23T12:22:25.167+00:00That is exactly what Gillick wants
Once people gi...That is exactly what Gillick wants<br /><br />Once people give up and can do as he pleases.<br /><br />We must make a stand for our future generation.<br /><br />Community Assets can't just be given away.<br /><br />If Gillick had kept his part of the promise of providing D1 space everyone we have been reasonably happy.<br /><br />He did not keep his promise to the community. It is very insulting when people were bullied into accepting the planning application was the only solution. In reality it was more about Gillick making a nice profit at the expense of the community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-65017821931575655372014-12-23T11:04:26.735+00:002014-12-23T11:04:26.735+00:00Both buildings are sold and gone.
Just like the ...Both buildings are sold and gone. <br /><br />Just like the pop up evictions. <br /><br />This guy does not dilly dally. <br /><br />We have to realise both these buildings legally belong to him and our chances of getting a library are precisely zero. <br /><br />An auction a week before Christmas this guy was laughing in our face. <br /><br />Like many library supporters I have lost total interest as the realism strikes we have to make do with the wembley library. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-72645239371388317062014-12-23T11:03:37.232+00:002014-12-23T11:03:37.232+00:00It would be worth contacting them, as they may hav...It would be worth contacting them, as they may have filmed the bidders.<br /><br />I bet as some self promotion Gillick would have been active in appearing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-72946776649618210642014-12-23T10:55:31.871+00:002014-12-23T10:55:31.871+00:00From 'Homes Under the Hammer' website - ho...From 'Homes Under the Hammer' website - how our auctions are filmed<br /> <br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2VdgQXYpYv2nJwJGG2NzKbk/how-our-auctions-are-filmed<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-77562084029963613492014-12-23T09:08:01.984+00:002014-12-23T09:08:01.984+00:00Yeh
Gillick can't take our building.
We shal...Yeh<br /><br />Gillick can't take our building.<br /><br />We shall not be moved !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-20262164108529940772014-12-22T23:44:18.091+00:002014-12-22T23:44:18.091+00:00Sad to have to say it but. Cricklewood looks desti...Sad to have to say it but. Cricklewood looks destined in same fate as Kensal Rise with Gillick immediately selling up once planning permission docs are in his hot little hand.<br /><br />Cricklewood expect the most likely outcome and don't think you will have a library anytime soon.<br /><br />That is the hard reality that residents will realize in due course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-53739344820418155792014-12-22T22:30:09.270+00:002014-12-22T22:30:09.270+00:00Gillick can - and probably will - do exactly as he...Gillick can - and probably will - do exactly as he pleases. He has no obligation to the community whatsoever. He's supposedly a property developer, although I don't know of any projects he's seen to completion. But perhaps I've missed them. <br /><br />Being brutal, none of us has a hope in hell of preventing him doing as he wishes. There was never any reason why he should pay for space until the library was set up - why should he? <br /><br />Let's not forget that the root cause of all this was the closure of the library and the triggering of the reverter clause. Just like Cricklewood. <br /><br />Alison Hopkinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-64367533261183931022014-12-22T22:10:48.091+00:002014-12-22T22:10:48.091+00:00What
Let Gillick run away with the building.
I ...What <br /><br />Let Gillick run away with the building.<br /><br />I don't think so.<br /><br />Why such haste ?<br /><br />4 years and can't give up now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-64074300913752460312014-12-22T21:02:39.891+00:002014-12-22T21:02:39.891+00:00Gillick is a smart guy any of those that have met ...Gillick is a smart guy any of those that have met him. He will have known what he is doing.<br /><br />Odds on he has something up his sleeve. <br /><br />Donating the building to a cause is unlikely to be on the top of his list. <br /><br />If we want to start a library I think we should find an alternate building. <br /><br />Realistically a library will never return to the corner of Bathurst gardens. <br /><br />Like out commentators have said these phantom bidder story and all the other tales will get us nowhere. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-37225249711196867762014-12-22T20:58:02.033+00:002014-12-22T20:58:02.033+00:00Thanks for pointing out my unintended error, 15.39...Thanks for pointing out my unintended error, 15.39. I'd meant to say 'probability', not 'possibility'. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-72923351370637123332014-12-22T20:00:55.703+00:002014-12-22T20:00:55.703+00:00As per Francis comment, "Auction was not genu...As per Francis comment, "Auction was not genuine sale" I take this to mean Gillick was trying to establish a base market price. I few posts seem to also refer to this.<br /><br />While some may view phantom bidding as a distraction I would support an investigation. I can now see possibility Gillick will say a benchmark has been achieved and will wait until he get £1.2 or more.<br /><br />This results in nothing for the community and is not what he had orginally promised nor what FKRL had promised.<br /><br />In hindsight perhaps there should have been a stronger agreement such as Gillick paying for external space for a library until such time as development proceeds.<br /><br />Without the huge support from FKRL the planning permission may not have been given the green light. Gillick owes the community big time.<br /><br />He can't just sail off into the sunset leaving the community stranded. Seems very unethical to have promised so much and delivered so little.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-13164098687564324962014-12-22T17:53:25.266+00:002014-12-22T17:53:25.266+00:00I don't think any conclusions can be drawn abo...I don't think any conclusions can be drawn about "phantom bidding" from Francis' post. He might perhaps be referring to an attempt to establish a market price or that the reserve was too high, deliberately. That will have cost Gilick something in terms of listing fees and legal pack. <br /><br />I do have a theory, but it's only that. If Gillick wants to show that the planning permission isn't economically viable with the D1 space extant, then a failed sale is a way to do it. He can then possibly make a new application with the D1 space removed. <br /><br />Whatever the truth, I think that any chance of the whole building being given back to the people of Brent is vanishingly unlikely. Alison Hopkinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-3535803101431131782014-12-22T17:31:15.172+00:002014-12-22T17:31:15.172+00:00Anon 15.47.
You're making my case for me by c...Anon 15.47. <br />You're making my case for me by completely misunderstanding the purpose of my comments and assuming them to come from some conspirator out to do you down.<br />What I take to be your wishes for the outcome of this whole library situation will not be advanced by muddle-headed wishful thinking and the silly jumping to conclusions of your latest post. <br />There are now over 150 posts on this topic and a fair proportion of those mention 'phantom bidding'. There is nowhere a precise definition of what constitutes 'phantom bidding' or precisely how it was supposed to have happened at last week's auction (or before, or after). If you can come up with what YOU (sorry about caps, no italic option) mean by 'phantom bidding' and how it occurred in this case then we could move on to the next stage. If you can't, then all we have here is a lot of discussion of a phenomenon without any a priori agreement as to what the phenomenon is that is being discussed.<br />The next stage, after you've set out what exactly you believe to have happened, is to work out whether it makes any difference to anything: if the practices said to have occurred at the auction were illegal or fraudulent, then it does (if they can be proved). If they were not, it doesn't. You can waste time talking about whether things are ethical or not if you want but it won't change the result and is, yes, a distraction.<br />What legal matters like these require is rigorous legal clarity and the cool investigation of tactical possibilities, not woolly language and snatching at straws. That kind of approach does a cause like this no good at all and is meat and drink to operators like Gillick and the lawyers they can employ. What you judge to be 'sneering' and sarcasm are simply my frustration at the lack of focus of some contributors, for example in their responses to Alison's explanations. I apologise for letting it show in that manner.<br /><br />I hope that makes my position clearer. But if you think this post is just another part of the 'attempted distraction' then I'm afraid you really would be better off sharing your thoughts with the other believers in the psycho lizards from Saturn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-13967264579211293692014-12-22T16:36:37.809+00:002014-12-22T16:36:37.809+00:00If the illegal practice of phantom bidding did tak...If the illegal practice of phantom bidding did take place, then surely FKRL will have reported this to the appropriate authorities?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2129943063330427887.post-1464394849981673522014-12-22T16:10:40.666+00:002014-12-22T16:10:40.666+00:00A probability, by the sound of it. A probability, by the sound of it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com